John BURNS / BYRNES and Amelia ASTLEFORD
from County Wicklow in 1827
ML# 142 on the McCabe List of 1829
(Interesting research by Anne Burgess: multi-generational family connections in Ireland and Canada)

November 1, 2007:

Hi Al,
 
I found this obit on the Wicklow RootsWeb board:
 
NEWSPAPER ARTICLE
The Ottawa Daily Citizen; Wednesday, April 30, 1879. (Page 2)

DIED

28th April, Amelia Astleford, beloved wife of John Burns, sr., aged 73 years. 
The deceased was a resident of this city since 1827, native of the County of 
Wicklow, Ireland.

The funeral will take place from her late residence, 244 Slater Street, today 
(Wednesday), at two o'clock, to the farm of Mr. William Hopkins, Gloucester, 
the place of interment. Friends and acquaintances are respectfully requested to 
attend without further intimation.
 
William Hopkins was maybe the son of Nicholas Hopkins and Eliz. Byrne, whom we 
found in Bytown (attached CD listing). Astleford was a family name mentioned 
in those letters we were given by Barb. Dowling.
 
... Anne Burgess
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Hi Anne:
 
Here is the location in 1879 in Gloucester where the funeral took place for John Byrnes.

Map of Beacon Hill in 1879 

... Al
November 4, 2007: Hi Al, I've had no success finding an Amelia Astleford Byrne/Burns in the 1851 census, although her obit said she'd lived in Ottawa from 1827. No records on that family at all really, but I've found a few interesting bits. Re Amelia's burial at the Wm. Hopkins farm, I wondered if the Hopkins were related. Attached is the FW notice for Nicholas Hopkins, whose family was at Bytown and Gloucester, according to our chart on B or B. I did note the attached page of 1851 Bytown (hard to read) with an Abraham Astleford (is that his baptism below?) and a Wm. Hopkins and a Susan? Hopkins. (Scottish is maybe an error; maybe "Scottish church"?). I was reading through a report of John O's, and I wondered if this Wm. Hopkins in Bytown might have had an Astleford wife; Susan/Susannah is a name the Astlefords seemed to like. John reports that the Astlefords and Dowlings were just beginning to get leases in Aghold / Aghowle c1782, and they became head tenants in the FW system. Baptism from the Aghold Church of Ireland Vestry Book: Abraham of Thomas and Eleanor Astleford 30th Sept. 1821 [the Bytown man above?] Same parish: Mathew Byrne is named a Church Warden 6th April 1790 and also him or another Mathew Byrne named as same 20th April 1813. You noted that John Byrne, h/o Amelia Astleford might have been the ML# 142 John Byrnes, who had a father, Matthew, in Knockatomcoyle. It would certainly be lovely to find the future of the ML Byrne! Here's an Ottawa John Byrne whose age in 1871 might fit: Ontario, Canada Census Index, 1871 about John Burns Name: John Burns Age: 72 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799 Gender: Male Birth Place: Ireland Residence District: Ottawa Residence Location: Wellington Ward Ethnic Origin: Irish Religion: Wesleyan Methodist Occupation: Messenger Division: 2 Microfilm Roll: C-10013 Page: 11 John Burns is listed as a messenger working in the Customs House in Ottawa in Lovell's 1871 directory for the Province of Ontario. Source: Library and Archives, Canada ... Anne
November 8, 2007: Hi Al, I found a record of only one child for Amelia Astleford and John Byrne: Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1924 about Esther Burns Name: Esther Burns Birth Place: Canada Residence: Ottawa Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Father Name: John Burns Mother Name: Amelia Burns Spouse Name: John Porter Spouse's Age: 30 Spouse Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Spouse Birth Place: Ireland Spouse Residence: Ottawa Spouse Father Name: Oliver Porter Spouse Mother Name: Elizabeth Porter Marriage Date: 3 Sep 1859 Marriage Place: Ottawa Marriage County: Carleton Family History Library Microfilm: 1030062 Source: Indexed by: Genealogical Research Library And the family in 1881: Household: Marr Gender Origin Age Birthplace Occ Religion John PORTER M M Irish 57 Ireland Civil Engineer C. Presbyterian Esther PORTER M F Irish 40 Ontario C. Presbyterian Samuel PORTER M Irish 20 Ontario C. Presbyterian Isabella PORTER F Irish 16 Ontario C. Presbyterian William PORTER M Irish 14 Ontario C. Presbyterian Elizabeth PORTER F Irish 12 Ontario C. Presbyterian Malilda PORTER F Irish 11 Ontario C. Presbyterian John PORTER M Irish 9 Ontario C. Presbyterian Lidia PORTER F Irish 7 Ontario C. Presbyterian Louisa PORTER F Irish 5 Ontario C. Presbyterian -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Census Place Nepean, Carleton, Ontario Family History Library Film 1375867 NA Film Number C-13231 District 108 Sub-district A Division 1 Page Number 154 Household Number 709 ... Anne
November 9, 2007: Thanks to Sue for the following: Hi Al; You probably already have this but if not, here it is. Ontario deaths, registered, found on Ancestry: Amelia Benns (bad transcription, it really is Burns) died 28 Apr 1879. Now this is quite telling - it says "wife of the LATE John Burns". The informant was S. Burns. John Burno (bad transcription), died 6 July 1879 at age 82, born in Wicklow Ireland. Informant was S. Burns (Samuel ?). Both of the above were Methodist, both from Wicklow, both registered deaths in Bruce county, both had S. Burns as informant AND both were registered (information taken and recorded) 20 August, 1879. Because this was only recorded and registered in August, after both parties had died, it makes sense that on Amelia's death registration, it would say 'late' John Burns, yet in her obituary it says, 'wife' of John Burns (indicating he was alive at the time of her death). Both had already died by August: Amelia, followed by husband John. Also, there is a tree on-line that says John Burns married Amelia Astleford, a daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth Astleford, in Aghold Parish, Wicklow, in 1826. This John was born in March of 1763 and died in 1822 according to the on-line tree. Sue _________________________ Thanks so much for this, Sue!! I clearly didn't get into sufficiently imaginative spelling in my search of ancestry. I'll now have to find S. Burns. From Ancestry's World Tree just now, I found another daughter for John and Amelia: Hannah, plus a fair bit of background on Amelia's siblings. ... Anne
November 10, 2007: See Anne's collection of emigrants from Ballynultagh and Ballyraheen to Eastern Ontario.
November 13, 2007: hi al,sue and anne, i am the one with the tree on rootsweb with amelia astleford and her parents and siblings. i have been in correspondence with barbara dowling and anne she has fowarded my message to you and your messages to me! i am related to the astleford family through my 3rd grt grandmother mary astleford born in 1808. regards john tyner
November 17, 2007: Hi Al, These are taken from the Aghold Church of Ireland records; unfortunately no witnesses or sponsors were named there: JOHN BYRNE of BALLYNULTAGH married 22nd APRIL 1826 to AMELIA ASELFORD of LOWER AGHOLD by LICENCE. They also had a son SAMUEL bapt. 18th MARCH 1827. We know that Amelia was the d/o Samuel Astleford and Elizabeth. Here's the baptism of a likely brother for her: WILLIAM ASSELFORD, 5th AUGUST 1787, the son of SAMUEL and ELIZABETH ASSELFORD. And Elizabeth Byrne, w/o Nicholas Hopkins (Fitzwilliam emigre, 1851 Gloucester) seems to have been a sister/relative of John Byrne (m. Amelia Astleford) because Amelia was buried out on the William Hopkins farm in Gloucester. Here is the Nicholas Hopkins marriage, also from the Aghold Church of Ireland records. NICHOLAS HOPKINS of STRATNAKELLY, married 28th NOV. 1829, to ELIZABETH BYRNE of KNOCKATOMCOYLE. by LICENCE. I'll see if I can find William Astleford close to Ottawa. Anne
November 18, 2007: Hi Al, I was sure I'd seen the name Samuel Burns near John Burns on some document, and I found it in the directory below: Cherrier & Kirwin’s Ottawa Directory for 1872-73 That Samuel would probably be John's son, don't you think, born in Aghold parish the year after they were married? And William Burns, the stone carver, is there too. What a lot of local history we've found all coming from that obit for Amelia! (William Burns, son of John, carved the gargoyles for our National Parliament Buildings, I think ... Al) It's odd, but I can't find John and Amelia anywhere in 1851. ... Anne
November 23, 2007: See also Lancelot Jackson, ML# 662 from Aghold, County Wicklow.
November 26, 2007: Update, Al: I checked the rentals records for Ballynultagh, and in 1839 William McGrath and wife Mary Byrne were renting from Matthew Byrne, who we now know was the father of the ML# 142 John Byrne / Burns. ... Anne
June 7, 2008: Hi Al, Judging by his children's names, I believe Lewis (below) was the son of the ML John Byrne / Burns and Amelia Astleford. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ID: I891 Name: Lewis BURNS Surname: Burns Given Name: Lewis Sex: M Birth: ABT 1804 in Co. Wicklow, Ireland Death: 2 Jun 1868 in Cumberland, Ontario, Canada Burial: Dale's Cemetery, Cumberland, Ontario, Canada _UID: 2F504BAA787B7B4E97DED403399E619347B5 Change Date: 16 Nov 2001 at 13:09:21 Marriage 1 Mary Ann WALLIS b: 25 Nov 1821 in Cumberland, Ontario, Canada Children John BURNS b: ABT 1842 Sarah BURNS b: 11 Jul 1844 in Ontario, Canada Amelia BURNS b: ABT 1844 Lewis BURNS b: 1 Apr 1852 in Ontario William BURNS b: ABT 1857 Samuel BURNS b: ABT 1857 ... Anne
New September 10, 2009: Hello Al Lewis, I just came across your web-site yesterday when I did a Google search for “Ballinulta”. What a lot of work you have put together here! My ancestor is John Burns, likely the one in the McCabe List, s/o Matthew Byrnes. He was a shoemaker and later the first tax collector of Bytown, b: 1797-1798 in Co. Wicklow. He married Amelia Astleford (b: 1806-1808, Co. Wicklow), more than likely in Wicklow. The earliest born child I have record of is Susannah, b: 1829-1831 in Bytown. I can account for seven children of John and Amelia, one being the youngest infant son, Matthew Rickey Burns. John died in 1879 and one of his obituaries notes he emigrated in 1827. He and Amelia were buried at William Hopkins’s Farm in Gloucester. William Hopkins is also on the McCabe List. The list of children attributed to Mathew Byrne on your site has a John Byrne m: Mary. He appears too old to be my John. (Referenced from the Aghold Church of Ireland Parish Register). Many years ago, I did a search of the “John Burns” in the Ottawa Valley area and concluded that I had the right one from the McCabe List. However, I do flip-flop over this. It could be that the John from the List died earlier than the records I searched, thus he was overlooked. On the questionable side, I cannot account for the number of family members that came with him, four males and two females, unless these included adults, such as siblings. I made copy of John’s signature from the McCabe List and it does not match two other much later signatures. The spelling is different, but perhaps not significant; more obvious, the letters are formed in a different manner, but then, I’m not a hand writing expert. I’m interested to know if there is in fact another John Burns that is attributed to the McCabe List found in Upper Canada. Sincerely, Lee Dickson _________________________________ Hello Lee and Al, I'll write more later when I've checked some things, but wanted to send you this townland map first. You can see how close Ballynultagh (Ballinulta) and Knockatomcoyle (Nakerumkal) are to one another. Stranakelly, which abuts Ballynultagh on the north, was the home of Nicholas Hopkins (and many other Hopkins as well) who married Elizabeth Byrne of Knockatomcoyle. I think she was the sister of John Byrne of the McCabe List. Map of Carnew Townland, County Wicklow More later...Anne
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