Cecile McDOUGAL and John DALE
Maniwaki and Baskatong area
April 10, 2004:
My Great Grandmother was an Algonquin Native from Maniwaki, Her name was Cecile McDougal.
She married an Irish man John M. Dale, they had lived in the Maniwaki area and had
seven children. In the 1901 Census the four of them are listed as from Baskatong.
I would like to know more about my Great Grandmothers aboriginal background.
The children were all baptized at River Desert Parish. When the Baskatong area
flooded what happened to church records and graves?
I would like to find out where my Great Grandmother was buried ,
she died in 1910 in giving birth to a child whom also died .
If anyone has information on this family I would like to hear from you. NP
Sincerely
Susan Sirois
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Susan:
Here is a McDougal family from the Maniwaki area in the 1881 census.
This family may be related to your Great Grandmother.
I've added a bit on the history of the Algonquins to this page.
... Al
1881 Census Place: Egan & Maniwaki, Ottawa, Quebec, Canada
Source: FHL Film 1375861 NAC C-13225 Dist 97 SubDist QQ Div 2 Page 13 Family 69
Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace
Pierre MCDOUGAL M M 45 Indigenous Quebec
Occ: Hunter & Farmer Religion: Roman Catholic
Hariett MCDOUGAL F M 35 Indigenous Quebec
Occ: Hunter & Farmer Religion: Roman Catholic
Abram MCDOUGAL M 14 Indigenous Quebec
Occ: Hunter & Farmer Religion: Roman Catholic
Philomen MCDOUGAL F 10 Indigenous Quebec
Occ: Hunter & Farmer Religion: Roman Catholic
Sophia MCDOUGAL F 8 Indigenous Quebec
Religion: Roman Catholic
Serah MCDOUGAL F 5 Indigenous Quebec
Religion: Roman Catholic
October 19, 2004:
Hi Again Mr Lewis
I have went to Maniwaki on a research and have found
some answers on the search of John Dale and Cecil Mc Dougall.
I was to the Montcerf archives and spoke with a lady
and she has found information in the registry of Notre Dame
Assomption in Maniwaki , that Cecil went by her Indian
name Cecin Twenish, her mother Charlotte Mc Dougall
was dead and she was a minor of Anbroise Twenish and Catenin Tcipaiatikokwe (Twenish )
Baskitians. She was given consent by Jacko Mc Dougall and Manian, I presume these were
possibly her father and maybe Grandmother. John Dale signed as John Mc Dale, that is why
I could not find him. In the micro film Fond Droun Cecil is recorded to have died on September
28th 1910 at age 27 and with her a baby that died November 18th 1910 named Cecin Twenish.
They were buried at St Francois Mission of Baskatong an Indian burial ground, near the Baskatong
road in Quebec. I did find the sight , but only crosses and no names. I would still like to find any
information on this family, as one daughter named Emeline Dale and William Dale is not been
found recorded.
Thanks
Susan Sirois
February 18, 2006:
Dear Al
Here is what I have been able to find out from church records and other
genealogists, about John Dale and Cecile.
John (Mc) Dale was the son of John Dale and Charlotte Mc Dougall. he was born
in 1863 another had him down as 1867)
From the registers of Notre - Dame de l' Assomption de
Maniwaki F.34/37 page 356 - M 17.
He was married on 1896/08/21 to Cecile - Cecin Twenish.
She was the daughter of Antoine Ambroise Twenish Apinesi
and Catherine Tshipatikokwe Alexis.
Cecile called herself by the name Cecile Mc Dougall -
Dale for some unknown mystery.
She died according to records de la Paroisse n. D.
de l' Assomption , Maniwaki , micro film state she died
at the mission St Francois - Xavier of Baskatong Her death is recorded as
September 28, 1910 age 27.
A daughter is also recorded her name was Cecile Twenish
Dale , age one month 20 days on November 18, 1910 died
To this day she is believed to be put in a native burial ground
on the Baskatong road near Grand Remous, as the area in
which they lived was flooded in 1929. Not much was written
about this mission , Father Stanislas Beaudry was in
charge of moving the graves. The book Bouchard, Serge, ed
Memoires d'un simple missionnaire. Le pere Joseph -
Etienne Guinard, o.m.i. 1864 - 1965 Quebec: Ministere des
affaires culturelles, 1980 pg 87.
There was very little stated about the mission of Baskatong.
To this day I have been unable to find anything about the
parents of Cecile Twenish...
Her Mother Catherine Tshipikokwe Alexis , also known as
Twenish - Mc Dougall lived with my Grandmother Jennie Mitts, in Maniwaki ,
and what my Grandmother Mitts
related to me is that she died in 1937 . From a record of an
old Band paylist , it shows early 30's it was sent to
Stonecliffe, possible she died there , but I still have a
possible reason to believe it was Maniwaki.
Indian Affairs have no records of her husband.
I have come to a point of saying that Cecile Twenish lost her
status for marriage to John ( Mc ) Dale as he was not
native .
John (Mc) Dale went on to Ireland in the 1920's and
remarried , he is recorded as August 3, 1938 at Ards district and is buried
in Movilla cemetery Northern Ireland.
There is just two siblings of John and Cecile that were
unable to be traced , William Dale and Emeline Dale . They were recorded in the
census records of 1911.
Looking over all the old family letters , this family never did
find one another and only letters from John (Mc ) Dale
remained in Grannie's old trunk. Much of them were heart
breaking to read , and so I still search for answers.
So if you ever come across anything about Baskatong , I would love to hear
about it , I have gone back there now to the beautiful area , and consider
that area a part of my family past.
Regards
Susan Sirois
January 24, 2007:
Hi Al
Have just got back some intresting research to add to my family.
Cecin " Cecile" Twenish my Great Grandmother.
Her Father " Ambroise '' Apinesi Twenish and Mother, Katenin
" Catherine " Tcipatikokwe , married 22-07-1867 Maniwaki (Notre-
Dame ) Que.
His parents were Jean - Baptiste Chiamiban & Mani Mitewinini
Her parents were Alexis Kinowabe & Mani-Josephte
0kijiwidjiwanokwe, It is suspected that my families ancestors
may have been part of the original families from Oka to settle in
the early 1850's permanently in the Maniwaki / Baskatong area.
Would be intrested if anyone had any info on Oka .
Would also like to find any family names that are related or history
to add. Also any one knowing about the Mission that was flooded
in 1929 , in Baskatong , the lake was called Piskatong by the Indian.
In 1865 log camps and fur traders came to the area, then hotels and
stores were constructed. Also a post office.
In 1870 the missionary came , the first church was built in 1906. It
was named St. Francois Xavier, which became a mission.
Hydro Quebec wanted to develope the area , just before the area
flooded a dam was constucted " the Mercier Dam" . a reservoir
was built to contain the water from the lake. In 1929 it was flooded.
Families had to evacuate and were not happy. Some had spent their
lives in this spot , such as my Grandmother and her families.
In 1927 most of the graves were removed to higher ground, the
church was dismantled and taken to Grand Remous , where it
later burned. There is not much written in history books on the area
but some older ones remember their parents talking about Baskatong.
Today it is a place of beautiful lakes and sandy beach lines and
a wonderful place to bring the family .
It is a great place to reminisce , about the past . I have found
two grave sites on the Baskatong road , one which is at almost the
tip looking out into the waters. There are no markers and it is
overtaken by weeds , it also is fenced off.
The other has a few of markers and is fenced , both has a sign
stating they are ancient burial grounds of Kitigan Zibi.
Regards
Susan Sirois
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