Captain Samuel KIPP, UEL

February 23, 2004:

I am a descendant of Captain Samuel Kipp, a loyalist, UEL, who was a Captain in
Delancey's Rangers.  Although he arrived in Canada @ Ramsheg / Fanningburg,
New Brunswick he and his new wife quickly fled to Quebec (Montreal area it
appears).  It appears that even though the family eventually made it's way
to the Ottawa area, there was still quite a love for Montreal.  Captain
Samuel's son, Samuel (clever enough for the time) was involved in the
construction of Notre Dame Mission Church which eventually became the
Cathedral that we know today.  His sister (have to check my records again)
was married to Medard Bruyere whose daughter was none other than Mother
Elizabeth Bruyere.  I thoroughly enjoyed reading about her and her work on
your site.  I believe that it was my ggreat-grandfather and his brother
Wulfrid who bought two of the first lots in Notre Dame de Lourdes cemetery
in August, 1872 (? again, I have to check my records).  According to a
priest at the Ottawa Archdiocese, Notre Dame de Lourdes cemetery was
sanctified shortly after that date.  If you are familiar with the cemetery,
the lots are rather large and are in the area directly behid Sir Wilfrid
Laurier's monument.  Interestingly enough, Sir Wilfrid and his wife were
buried elsewhere in the cemetery until the Canadian government decided he
deserved the monument.  Such a lead-up to my question!  The Father told me
that Notre Dame was sanctified to relieve the cemetery in Sandy Hill.  I've
tried to find info on the internet about the cemetery in Sandy Hill to no
avail.  Thanks to your web site, I could at least obtain some information
about Sandy Hill.  I was raised in Eastview (Vanier) and now live in
Vancouver.  One of my brothers lives in Manor Park and the other in
Cumberland.  Neither is remotely interested in this sort of thing so I have
to rely on the kindness of strangers.  Edward Kipp has been a great help.
One of his ancestors is Captain Samuel's brother James.  Via the internet, I
was able to put Edward in touch with Anne Toohey, Library of Congress, who
is also a descendant of James.  Another great help was John Wyman (US) who,
with the help of others has traced the Wyman family "a way back" to England.
My maternal grand-father was Arthur Wyman, Edwards, Ontario.  He married
Florence Fitzsimmons whose family settled in Bowesville.  Their history
seems to have disappeared when the federal government expropriated the land
to build the Ottawa International Airport.

I made contact with my first cousin Bev (who I never really knew) via the
internet.  She had been researching the family for some time and was
assisted greatly by a lady named Diane Samson.  This led her to a book in
the Gagnon Room of the Montreal Library which was written by Louis Richard
and traced the more or less modern day family to Captain Samuel.  I came
across a book "History of the Kip Family in America" on the internet.  It
was published in 1928 and my husband managed to obtain a copy of it for me
for Christmas a few years ago.  It traces the family back to Ruloff de Kype,
1510.  Due to the fact that he lived in Normandy and their is a Kype River
in Norther Scotland, I wouldn't be surprised if the little bugger was a
Viking.  There is mention of a William de Kype in Northern Scotland in 1310
as a witness to a land transfer so there might be a connection.  Who knows?
In my search, I have definitely learned that anything is possible.

I would appreciate anything that you can tell me about the cemetery in Sandy
Hill.  If I ever get my records organized, I would love to add the
information to your site.  Just let me know how.  What I find particularly
amusing is the fact that my ancestor was a Loyalist but because of what his
ancestor (father I think) did, I can now be a member of the United Empire
Loyalist "group" and I can also join "The Daughters of the American
Revolution".  Go Figure!  My grand-father was Joseph William Kipp who did so
much to help the people of Eastview during the influenza epidemic many years
ago.  It also appears that Ottawa's first police chief was my
great-grandmother's brother-in-law.  History is truly amazing.

Keep up the good work with your site.

Appreciatingly yours,

Colleen (Kipp) Porcina
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also posted on Feb. 23, 2004:
Hi Colleen:

Thanks very much for your interesting e-mail.

Here's a record from Notre Dame:

2 Jul 1829
Baptism of William born the same day, lawful son of Samuel Kipp and Marianne Gaudry.
Godparents: Baptiste Lacroix and Josette Robillard.
Angus MacDonell, Parish Priest
Source: Ellen Paul's records of Notre Dame Cathedral

Is this your Samuel Kipp? There are quite a few Kipps in the records.

Do you mind if I start a new page on the web site, based on your e-mail? You
have a lot of interesting material there.
I'll look further into it, hopefully later this week, and will try and add
some material to it.

Thanks again!

... Al Lewis
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Yes, this is my Samuel Kipp.  I would be very happy if you started a new
page on the web site.  Perhaps this will be the motivation that I needed to
document all of my findings pertaining to my line of the Kipp Family.  I'd
be interested to know about the other Kipps in the records that you refer
to.  You may find a marriage between Joseph William and Eva Martel and/or
Annie Levesque.  Joseph and Annie are my paternal grandparents.  Joseph was
also known as William or Bill.  Eva was his first wife.  I believed that she
died.  I don't know much else about her.
Colleen
March 1, 2004: (English version follows) Faits et gestes à Eastview par Henri Laperriere HOMMAGE A UN PIONNIER On a porté en terre, cette semaine, un des pionniers d’Eastview qui avait grandement contribué au bien-être des siens. M. William « Bill » Kipp, du 283, rue Frontenac, est décédé dimanche dernier à l’âge de 91 ans. Le défunt a connu une vie fort active et on rappellera longtemps son souvenir car il n’a jamais aimé rester en place. A l’heure de sa mort il était probablement le doyen des pionniers d’Eastview. Né à Ottawa le 11 avril 1876, il n’avait que 11 ans quand ses parents vinrent s’établir à Eastview. Après quelques années d’études, il devenait garçon-livreur chez plusieurs marchands pour ensuite devenir propriétaire de sa propre boutique de boucherie. S’intéressant, très jeune, aux choses de sa municipalité, il siège au Conseil municipal de 1913 à 1916. Il siège également au Conseil du comté de Carleton. C’est à l’époque où il fut maire suppléant, 1916, que M. Kipp s’est surtout signalé. C’est en cette année qu’a sévi la terrible épidémie appelée communément grippe espagnole. Doué d’une santé robuste, M. Kipp prend la situation en main à Eastview. On le voit partout à la fois, travaillant 24 heures par jour à secourir les familles éprouvées. L’unique médecin d’Eastview ne suffit pas à soigner les malades et les commodités sont peu nombreuses. M. Kipp obtient la permission de transformer l’hôtel Eastview en hôpital. La crise vint à passer. Les victimes ont été nombreuses à Eastview et une fois qu’on a pu se remettre des fatigues de ces longues semaines de vigile, M. Kipp devenait un des héros de l’endroit. La jeune municipalité d’Eastview, anciennement Janeville, a bénéficié davantage du dévouement de M. Kipp. Pendant 12 ans, dont huit à titre de président, il fut membre du Bureau de santé. Grâce à ses instances auprès des autorités, il obtient la nomination d’un magistrat permanent à Eastview : M. William R. Cummings. Le pont qui relie Eastview à Ottawa porte son nom. Pénurie de charbon En 1916 il y avait eu pénurie de charbon à Eastview. M. Kipp se rend à Montréal avec le greffier du temps, M. Washington, et obtient la livraison d’un wagon de charbon avec promesse d’un deuxième aussitôt que requis. Son intervention opportune avait soulagé une situation qui aurait pu être désastreuse pour la population d’Eastview. En 1914 le Conseil municipal d’Eastview siégeait dans un grenier. M. Kipp proposa l’achat d’une ancienne école située sur le chemin de Montréal affin de la convertir en salle due Conseil. Avec les années cette bâtisse a subi des transformations et elle est devenue l’hôtel de ville d’aujourd’hui. L’an dernier les services administratifs ont toutefois été déménagés à l’ancienne école Montfort, 297, rue Dupuis, mais la salle du Conseil est toujours au 180, chemin de Montréal. M. Kipp a été membre de la Commission scolaire pendant nombre d’années. Il compte également parmi les paroissiens fondateurs de Notre-Dame-de-Lourdes. En plus de toutes ses tâches, M. Kipp a agi comme juge de paix. M. Kipp a élevé 17 enfants, soit neuf filles et huit garçons. Ces derniers ont brillé dans la vie sportive d’Eastview et la région. Deux fils et sept filles survivent de deux mariages. M. Kipp avait épousé en premières noces Marie-Louise Martel d’Eastview, et en secondes noces, Anne Lévesque, d’Ottawa. Une foule nombreuse a rendu hommage à ce pionnier en assistant à ses funérailles qui eurent lieu en l’église Assumption d’Eastview. L’inhumation a été faite au cimetière Notre-Dame. In and Around Eastview By Henri Laperriere TRIBUTE TO A PIONEER This week, we buried one of Eastview’s pioneers who made a large contribution to our well being. Mr. William (Bill) Kipp, of 283 Frontenac Street, died last Sunday at the age of 91. The deceased had a full life and we will long be remembered because he never liked to sit still. Born in Ottawa on April 11, 1876, he was only 11 years old when his parents settled in Eastview. After some years of schooling, he became a delivery boy for various merchants before becoming the owner of his own butcher shop. At a very young age, he was interested in municipal affairs, he served on the Municipal Council from 1913 to 1916. He held office on the Council of Carleton County as well. It is at the time when he was acting mayor (1916), that Mr. Kipp was especially outstanding. It is in this year that the horrible outbreak commonly called the Spanish influenza raged. Gifted with a robust health, Mr. Kipp took matters in hand in Eastview. One could find him everywhere, working 24 hours a day helping the families that were in distress. The only doctor in Eastview could not attend to all of the sick and comforts were few. Mr. Kipp obtained permission to convert the Eastview Hotel into a hospital. The crisis came to pass. There were numerous victims in Eastview and once he got over the fatigue of the long weeks of vigil, Mr. Kipp became one of the heroes of the place. The young municipality of Eastview (formerly Janeville) benefited more from the affection of Mr. Kipp. For 12 years, eight as president, he was a member of the Board of Health. Thanks to his influence with the authorities, he secured the appointment of a permanent judge to Eastview: Mr. William R. Cummings. The bridge that links Eastview and Ottawa bears his name. In 1916, there was a shortage of coal in Eastview. Mr. Kipp went to Montreal with the clerk at that time, Mr. Washington, and arranged for the delivery of a carload of coal with the promise of a second as soon as required. His timely intervention alleviated a situation that could have been a disaster for the population of Eastview. In 1914 the municipal Council of Eastview held sessions in an attic. Mr. Kipp proposed the purchase of a former school situated on Montreal road in order to convert it into council chambers. Over the years this building underwent a number of renovations to become the town hall of today. (However, last year the administrative services were moved to the former Monfort School, 297 Dupuis Street, but the council chambers were always at 180 Montreal Road.) Mr. Kipp was a member of the Board of Education for a number of years. He was also included among the parishioner-founders of Notre-Dame-de-Lourdes. Besides all of his jobs, Mr. Kipp acted as Justice of the Peace. Mr. Kipp fathered 17 children, nine girls and eight boys. The last (youngest) was brilliant in sports in Eastview and the region. He is survived by two sons and seven daughters from two marriages. Mr. Kipp first married Marie-Louise Martel of Eastview, and his second marriage was to Anne Levesque, of Ottawa. A large crowd paid their respects to this pioneer by attending his funeral that took place at Assumption Church, Eastview. He was buried at Notre-Dame cemetery.
March 20, 2004: I recently discovered some information pertaining to the old cemetery in Sandy Hill. Colleen Kane at Notre Dame Cemetery, Montreal Road, is pretty sure that the old cemetery in Sandy Hill is where Strathcona Park is today ... where Laurier Avenue meets Charlotte, next to the Russian Embassy. Supposedly, anyone buried there was dug up and buried in Notre Dame when it opened in 1872. There is a list of people that were moved to Notre Dame and the list is in the possession of Notre Dame Cemetery. Unfortunately, my Samuel is not on the list so I'm thinking that he may be buried in Montreal in the "Protestant" cemetery as his parents were of he may be in a cemetery in Kingston because his children's baptismal records in Notre Dame, Montreal indicate that he and Marie Anne Gaudry were referred to as residing in Kingston. There are no records of the burials between 1872 and 1878 when the cemetery started to keep records. Although there are "burial cards" for each lot they are not necessary complete and the burial registers must be referred to as they are more accurate. There were two churches in Sandy Hill - St. Joseph's and Sacre Coeur. Apparently, St. Joseph's is still standing and Sacre Coeur burned down in the 70's. I know that Samuel VI was in Bytown in 1828 and that he died in November of 1830 as per "La Minerve" a newspaper in Montreal at the time. Ellen, I would be very happy to puchase a copy of Notre Dame's registers for the period 1825 through 1856 as I am guessing that there are several Kipp and Berichon entries. I'm hoping that there might be a few Fitzsimmons records but I'm not sure when they emigrated from Ireland. Al, perhaps some of this information would help others in the Ottawa area. Colleen Porcina -----Original Message----- From: Colleen Porcina [mailto:katcol@dccnet.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 5:02 PM To: b.woodruff@videotron.ca Cc: cporcina@pdmclaren.com Subject: Samuel Yes, Samuel's last name was Kipp. Without giving you the whole family background to 1510, here's the family in Canada: Captain Samuel Kipp V 1753-1803 (Captain in Delancey's Rangers) m. Marie Knapp 1766-1838(his second wife - first one Freelove Totten returned to the States) - James, b. 1788, had a family in Montreal but moved to Montana as a fur trader. Some speculation that he was on the Lewis and Clark expedition; no proof one way or the other. All of his descendants in Montana are members of the Blackfoot Tribe and you would never know they had any white blood in them although I found something on the internet yesterday to dispute that. - Samuel VI, b. about 1790, died November 20, 1830. We know for sure that he had died before 1840 as his wife Marie Anne Gaudry remarried a fellow by the name of Joseph Vachon around 1840 (as per E. Paul). According to the "La Minerve" newspaper in Montreal, he was probably buried in Bytown where his family lived at the time. It was noted that he was a merchant in Bytown. (I'm guessing probably beer because of the ancestry of the family.) - daughters Elizabeth (Elizabeth Bruyere's aunt through marriage)(b. 1791) and Charlotte (b. 1796) If I remember correctly, they are both buried in Joliette, Quebec. Samuel VI m. Marie Anne Gaudry (her second husband was Joseph Vachon) The children listed are all Samuel's - Marie Anne b. Jan 18, 1817 - Augustin Wulfhild (Wilfred) b. Nov 10, 1823 m. Helen Kelly daughter of John Kelly and Margaret Boyle (Wilfred's brother William was a witness at the wedding along with Mary Duffey - William b. July 2, 1829 d. Sep 21, 1888, buried Sep 23, 1888 m. Victoria Berichon in the English Notre Dame, Montreal (buried Jan 21, 1921, next to her husband) - Amable Samuel b. Sep 4, 1815 - Samuel b. Dec 3, 1819 - Jacques b. Apr 30, 1822 - Marguerite Rose b. May 26, 1827 - William b. July 2, 1829 Wulfhild (Wilfred) and William (Jul 2, 1829) are the two that bought the lots (494 1/2 South (A) and 494 1/2 North (A)[my parents are buried in Lot 1182 (51)] in Notre Dame on August 1, 1872 the year that Notre Dame Cemetery was consecrated (I'd still like to know the exact date of the consecration). Helen Kelly and Victoria Berichon are buried in the lots purchased on that day as are other members of the family. My grandfather Joseph William (Pa Pere)was William's son. Pa Pere and his wife Annie Levesque along with 3 or 4 of their infant children are buried in the lot that William bought. Their adult daughter, my Aunt Annette is also buried there. My Aunt Gertie is the current owner. I've written to her to request permission to have a headstone installed there but she hasn't answered. She's in her 80's so she may not understand my request. I can't tell you how much I appreciate your efforts in helping me with this information. As I may have told you, I'm hoping to get to New York, Montreal and Ottawa next year. If everything works out, it would be wonderful to meet you and your wife. Colleen These are pretty much the names in which I am interested. I would imagine that most of Samuel VI's children and his wife Marie Anne Gaudry/Kipp/Vachon were buried in either the cemetery in Sandy Hill or Notre Dame. I don't have any burial dates for them so a manual search of the records would probably be very time consuming. It's odd that you say that the Sandy Hill cemetery is now Strathcona Park because that was the instinct I had when I first found out about there ever having been a cemetery in Sandy Hill. Every internet query on Sandy Hill kept bringing up Strathcona Park. There are a few Kipps buried in Beechwood Cemetery but I don't know where they fit in.
August 18, 2004: We live in a house built in Lowertown [Ottawa] in 1877 by a William Kipp. I don't know if this is a relative but thought it might add to your knowledge. We are trying to find out more about both the house and the original owner. ... Donna
July 24, 2005: Colleen, You can add another relative to the great dynasty of Kipp. NP Capt' Samuel Kipp is a distant relative of mine. Thanks to Edward Kipp who provided me with his documentation. I have successfully traced the Kipp line out of Canada into Montana, USA to the name of James Kipp, and have his documentation. Happy Tree Climbing Eugene Kipp
October 15, 2007: Hi, Colleen, I yet am another Native American descendant of Captain James Kipp, my paternal grandfather James Grinnell Kipp is a Blackfeet, the grandson of Captain James Kipp's and Earth Woman of the Mandan Chief Four Bears. Please let me know more information. Thank you ... Gaynell __________________________________________ Thanks to Colleen for the following reply to above enquiry: What kind of information would you like? I can give you the line back to Ruloff de Kype or just start with Captain Samuel and work to almost present day. I don't think that your great-grandfather James was a captain. It is very easy to confuse things because there is good and bad information on the internet. Although that is where I started with most of my information, I have since acquired a book "History of the Kip Family in America", a genealogy of Captain Samuel and his descendants (written by a member of the family in the 1950s), "The Civil Sword", and another on the fur traders who sold firewater in Alberta. Captain Samuel Kipp had two sons: Samuel and James James had a wife and children in Montreal but left for Montana, USA. There is some speculation that he was on the Lewis & Clark expedition. As the story goes, he married Earth Woman whose family was close to Birdwoman who was on the expedition along with her husband. James eventually had son Joseph who came up to Fort Whoop-up (now Lethbridge, Alberta) and actually had a fort of his own (Fort Kipp) which he eventually sold (?) to the North West Mounted Police. The fort is long gone but there is a cairn marking the spot. I was in Lethbridge & Fort McLeod earlier this year on business and did a little bit of poking around. The one person I wanted to speak with wasn't available so I hope to contact him soon. I bought a book about the "Firewater" traders and will pass along the name and author to you when I get home from work. As you are descended from James, I am descended from Samuel. Samuel was in Bytown (Ottawa) just prior to or during the building of the Rideau Canal. Thanks to Donna, I know that Samuel's son William built the house in which she lives in 1877. Recently, I found out that his son Joseph William, (my grandfather) had two butcher shops on Dalhousie Street. I don't know when the house was sold but I do know that William's wife Victoria (my great-grandmother) lived in an apartment in Eastview before she died. There is some speculation that Victoria was a full-blooded Cree who spoke the Algonquin language and was from Golden Lake in Ontario (Algonquin Park which is very near Ottawa - all things considered) but no proof. Her father was supposed to have been a chief and she was adopted by ?? Berichon and Anna Proulx. I know that they are named as her parents on her marriage record in the English Notre Dame in Montreal but that doesn't really mean anything. Some one who did the ancestry for the Berichon family indicated that they Victoria was not a "natural" child of theirs. I have tried to find out more about Victoria but she is quite elusive so far. I am anxious to learn more about the Black feet connections in the family. I have some information from James Arthur who wrote The Kipp Trails and from some Brothers in the states who also provided me with information but I would like to learn more. You might be interested to know that in June of next year, there will be a 225 year reunion for the British Empire Loyalists who landed at Remsheg in New Brunswick (now in Nova Scotia???) after the American Revolutionary War. I look forward to hearing more from you. If you have any specific questions, please do not hesitate to ask. Colleen (Kipp) Porcina _______________________________
William Kipp House
And here's an e-mail from Peter and Donna: Al, Yes, please add my e-mail address to the list. Our, Donna & my, primary interest is in the history of the William Kipp House, 144-146 Cathcart St. which we have under restoration @ this time. Any one who might have lived in either one of the units could have valuable information for our research in to the house. We have just started another restoration project @ 120 Boteler St., this house has a fine local connection being owned by members of the Bingham family. We thank you for your efforts in the "Bytown" site & hope for continued connections. With kind regards, ... Peter ________________________ Hi Peter: I'll update the Samuel Kipp page this evening and include your e-mail on it. I came across the following record regarding a Samuel Bingham. This record is from Notre Dame Cathedral on Sussex Drive: 20 May 1838 Baptism of John, born the 1st of the marriage of Samuel Bingham and Sarah Fitzpatrick Witnesses: Moses Doyle & wife (Bridget Brady) (See the book "Hurling Down the Pine" by Courtney C.J. Bond) I've run across other references to this Samuel Bingham in other places. Moses Doyle and Bridget Brady were living at South Gloucester at the time, I believe, or moved there soon after 1838. My GGGrandmother was Margaret Doyle from that area. I'll try and set up a new web page on our site for Samuel Bingham later this week -- maybe others are researching this early family as well. ... Al
November 19, 2008: Hi all, Thanks for the info on William Kipp being the owner of a general store in 1828. I managed to find a book on Google: Recollections of Bytown and Its Old Inhabitants It was written by Lett, William, Pittman ("CITIZEN" PRINTING AND PUBLISHING COMPANY, SPARKS STREET 1874) In Chapter V, he states: William Kipp, too, doth memory greet, In a small shop on Rideau Street, A man of gentlemanly kind, With a well-cultivated mind; So now I know he had a general store on Rideau Street probably from 1828 through at least 1874. If I remember correctly, he died in 1877. I would appreciate any more information that anyone can add. Apparently there were supposed to be two butcher shops on Dalhousie as well but that is all that I know of them. There was also supposed to be a tinsmith ... Kipp by name. That is all that I know. ... Colleen (Kipp) Porcina
November 20, 2008:
City of Ottawa Directories
Thanks to Allen Craig for the following: Hello Colleen, Here is a small sample of entries in the City of Ottawa Directories held in Library and Achives Canada's online collection http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/canadiandirectories/001075-100.01-e.php Just enter Kipp and then select the volume you want to search in the drop down box. The search will return a number of pages and the option to view them in Standard (gif. format) or DjVu format. I always select standard as its much faster and almost as good quality. Once the image opens if you right click on it then select properties in the box that opens you can copy and paste the url for the image eliminating the need to save it or to go through the search in future. These samples are from the 1869-70 edition, there are a few more for that year that contain much the same information http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/001075/f4/nlc008148.0174-v6.gif http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/001075/f4/nlc008148.0241-v6.gif http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/001075/f4/nlc008148.0242-v6.gif http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/001075/f4/nlc008148.0334-v6.gif A search for Kipp in All Directories returned 1880 hits mostly from Ottawa. Good luck with your search ... Allen Craig
New April 7, 2009: I don't know if his is of any interest to you but I was just in Ottawa celebrating the 96th birthday of Lillian (Kipp) Valiquette. While there my father told me all sorts of interesting stories about his grandfather Bill (William Kipp of Eastview), about his stores, his work, his children, the houses he built, the influenza outbreak, etc. My father had lots of other information about the family if you would like to be in touch with him. Please let me know if this interests you. Kind thanks, Ben ________________________ To everyone, What a small world! Just to keep things straight, the William Kipp to whom Ben refers is the son of the William Kipp (senior) who built the house on Cathcart Street in 1877. William Kipp senior made and sold ginger beer back in the days when it still contained alcohol. I came across a photo of one of his bottles on the internet. It is currently owned by a collector in the United States. Colleen

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