Louis CAILLE / CAYER and Elizabeth SHANNON
also Joseph ST. DENIS and Mary SHANNON
From Ellen Paul:
In the Volume 2 of the register of St. Philip of Richmond on 19 February 1865 There is
this entry:
Baptism of Sarah Eliza, born 9 January last of the lawful marriage of Louis Caillé
and Elizabeth Shannon. Sponsors: Jerome Caillé and Elizabeth Farelly.
Between 1858 and 1865 Mary Shannon and her husband Joseph St. Denis baptized
four of their children at St. Philip's. I am not sure, but I think Mary and Elizabeth
may have been sisters.
The 1851 Census for March Twp., Carleton County shows four Shannon girls in
service in various households. Mary was 17 at the time and Eliza, working in the
household of Patrick Murphy was 14. Ann was 16 and Catherine 13. All reported to
have been born in Ireland.
I am almost certain your Lewis Cayes is the same Louis Caillé.
Ellen Paul
Good Morning, Al, I went back into the register and while I see that
there are quite a few Shanahan names of a variety of spellings, I can't see
any obvious connection between them and my Mary Shannon who appears
with her husband Joseph St. Denis (spelled Sentaine). I certainly
don't mind your adding a webpage to your site with my e-mail address.
Can you include the surname St. Denis? I'm working the Caillé
connection in desperation.
By the by, I have a database of all Shannons in the 1851 ON census for
all the eastern counties.
Ellen Paul
Ellen:
I checked an old map (1879) which shows four adjacent farms - 2 with the
name Shannon and 2 with the name Shanahan. These farms were all in the
parish of St. Phillips in Goulbourn.
I couldn't find the names St. Denis or Caille on the map. Is it possible
Caille was Cayer at one time? There are lots of Cayers in the Ottawa area
phone book today. Just a thought.
... Al Lewis
Good Morning, Al, Caillé can be spelled in any of these ways: Cahier,
Cayer, Cayé, Cailler, Caillet, Caillier and Cailliere. I suspect after
coming to ON, he anglicized the name to Cayes which rhymes with Keys.
He was reportedly a carpenter who had a shop in Richmond. My St.
Denis' ended up in Pembroke (1868) and eventually Forester Falls
(1890).
Cheers,
Ellen
Surname: Shannon, Tierney, Waters, Nash, Ryan, Fullan, Burns,
Brophy, O'Neill
Looking for information on Lewis Cayes / Cayis married Sarah
Elizabeth Shannon.
Lewis Cayes died 13 Sept 1916 Jockvale Nepean Co.
Any help would be appreaciated.
Thanks
Edmund Russell
June 30, 2004:
Joseph St. Denis and Mary Shannon
Good morning, Al,
My husband and I just returned from a cousins' reunion which your
website actually generated. Family tradition among those folks has it that
our Mary Shannon came from County Cork. We have very little to go on, but
we're going to try.
One of the cousins is developing a website to coordinate our
information. It's just beginning now, but, in light of your contribution to
this effort, I thought you might like the link.
www.bagnell.org
Hope all is well and that you are having a good summer.
Warm regards,
Ellen
Note: See also the Shannon page by Ellen Paul
July 5, 2004:
Thanks to Cheryl Thomas for the following:
Some of the Caille lines I have found in my own Tree:
Jacque Caille Married Angelique St. Amand Their Daughter
Lucie Caille Married Edouard Foucault 11 February 1828 in St. Benoit,
Deux Montagnes, Quebec
Lucie and Edouard's family moved down to the USA
I also have a few other famillies
Ignance Caillette Married Madel Charles Their Daughter
Marie Joseph Caye Caillette Married Louis Urbain Foucault
14 January 1755 St. Rose Quebec
Another Family
Godfroy Caille Married Rose Delima Naude in 1870 in Sainte Angelique
Their Son Joseph Caille Married Alexina Gascon 12 July 1897 in
St. Andre de Avelin Quebec
I have a few other's:
Onesime Cayer Married Zeprine Champagne 22 November 1880 in Papineauville
Quebec Their Daughter Ovila Cayer Married Léona Drolet in 1919 No Place though
With all of these lines I was not researching the Caille Cayer or Calliette
famillies and not sure where they all connect but maybe it can help having
this posted.
The Drouin Books have the Caille famillies so it might be an easy way to find Shannon ??
I also have an Elizabeth Shannon Married to John McCurdy Their Daughter
Harriet Armenila McCurdy Married Alexander McGee 3 March 1865 in Huntley, Ontario Canada
I have a few Pictures of Harriet she was 93 when she passed away .
... Cheryl Thomas
February 8, 2006:
Hi there.
I just came across your web page and I am also trying to find out more about the
Caille / Cayer name from the Quebec area. I am at a loss and thought that perhaps
you may have come across them. I am, trying to trace back from Damas.
Any information would be most helpful.
The names that I have are:
Thomas Adam Caille – not known who his wife was
Damas Caille – Thomas’ son who married Sophie Sabourin, possibly from Belgium
Damas and Sophie had 4 or 5 children – Joseph Adrien Elphege, Laura, other names
unknown as they died at birth.
Most sincerely,
... Kim Rogers-Rollin
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Thanks to Ellen for the following reply:
Hello, Kim Rogers-Rollins,
My interest in Caille is a collateral one. I first came accross the name in
the register of St. Philip of Richmond:
19 February 1865 Baptism of Sarah Elza, born 9 January last, of the lawful marriage
of Louis Caille and Elizabeth Shannon. Sponsors: Jerome Caille and Elizabeth Farrelly.
I believe Elizabeth Shannon may be the sister of 2nd great grandmother. I
researched the name Caille in the hope of finding a firmer connection. Here's
what I learned:
In the R.C. parishes of eastern Ontario there is no marriage record for Louis Caille
and Elizabeth Shannon although the priest who baptized their daughter obviously
recognized the validity of their marriage. By 1871 Elizabeth Shannon was dead. There
is no record of her death. Louis Caille never remarried.
1871 ON Census North Gower
Cayis, Louis b. U.S. age: 33 widower Con.4 Lot 22
Cayis, Lucy b. U.S. age: 34
Cayis, Lamah b. U.S. age: 18
Cayis, Sarah b. ON age:6
1881 ON Census Nepean
Cayes, Lewis b. U.S. age: 42 widower
Cayes, Lucy b. U.S. age: 44
Cayes, Lizzie B. ON age: 16
On 13 November 1889 Sara Elizabeth Cayis married William Tierney at St. Patrick's
Fallowfield. They had eight children. Louis Cayis died 11 Sept 1916, aged 79 yrs.
he was reportedly born in rural New York State. I have not been able to find any
record of his birth or baptism although there were many Cailles in the northern
counties of New York.
March 13, 2012:
William Tierney-son of John Tierney and Bridget Nash- marries Sarah Elizabeth Cayes, November 13,1889
(Thanks to Jerry Tierney for this photo.
Hope this doesn't confuse the issue. You don't give a year for Thomas or Damas.
Best,
... Ellen Paul
December 29, 2007:
I believe that Lewis/Louis Cayis who married Elizabeth Shannon, was the son of Lewis
and Olive Cayis. Lewis Cayis Sr. was born abt 1805 in Quebec and died 7 Nov 1885 in
Cornwall twp, Stormont (badly transcribed as Cayia). He and his wife had been living
in Stormont and had been transcribed as 'Cazia' in the 1881 Stormont census.
Olive was born abt 1812 in Quebec and died 8 May 1886 in Nepean. On her death
registration, she is listed as the widow of the late Lewis Cayis who was a labourer
at Dickinson's Landing (according to the registration) and the informant was their
son Lewis of Jockvale. Dickinson's Landing (was of Cornwall township) was one of
the villages that was submerged in 1958 by the creation of the St. Lawrence Seaway.
Both Louis/Lewis Jr and his spinster sister Lucy were born in New York in the 1830's
and according to the 1901 Carleton county census, they emigrated to Canada in 1863.
In this census, Lucy says she was born 29 May 1836 (she says Sept 1835 elsewhere) and
Lewis Jr. says he was born 30 March 1838.
Lewis Jr. married Elizabeth Shannon and they had daughter Sarah Elizabeth 9 Jan 1865
who married William Tierney of Jockvale, a son of John Tierney and Bridget Nash.
Hope this helps,
... Sue
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Hi Sue,
Thank you for your very astute scholarship. I think the fact that the Lewis Cayis
of Jockvale is the informant on Olive Cayis' death record seals the deal that he
is her son.
Given the fact that both Lewis Jr. & Lucy reported that they were born in New York
[rural], I had searched for them in the 1860 census with a negative result. Do you
have any idea where they might have been in NY? Or where the family originated
in Quebec?
With thanks,
... Ellen
December 30, 2007:
Hi Ellen;
As a matter of fact, I 'think' I did find them in New York in 1850. I am assuming that
they spoke english with quite a french accent and perhaps Louis and Olive didn't speak
much english at all (or perhaps I'm trying to rationalize why the original image census
'could' be them because it is so odd!. If them, they were in Fort Covington, Franklin,
New York, USA, in 1850 (page 172 of the census taken the 5th of August, 1850). The
following is what the census looks like to me:
Levi Coyer (how would Caille sound to an english person's ears?), born C.E. (Canada East),
age 43, cannot read or write.
Olive, born C.E., aged 37, cannot read or write
Lucy, born C.E., 13
Lucy, born C.E, 12 (although both of these 'Lucy's are put down as female, I wonder
if in fact all this information was provided by the parents and the kids weren't there
when the census-taker was and the census-taker heard "Louis" as "Lucy" and marked
(him) down as a girl - otherwise it seems a little strange that both daughters would
be named Lucy.
Lydia, born C.E., aged 10
Margaret, born C.E., aged 8
Jerome, born C.E., aged 6
Amelia, born C.E., aged 4
Cassamir (boy), born C.E., aged 1
I actually quite believe that this is the family, with the information provided by
illiterate parents who probably did not speak the clearest of english and what the
census-taker heard was what we now see. I also think that the census-taker, upon
learning that the family came from Canada East, just marked them all down as such.
(And maybe Louis/Lewis and Lucy really did think they were born in New York because
they moved there when they were infants or toddlers).
Now I found them in the 1840 Fort Covington, Franklin, NY census - as Louis Cayce.
Prior to the 1850 US censuses, only the head of household was named with those of
either male or female and their age range indicated by just a number in the box, so.....
Louis Cayce was aged 30-40 (he would have been abt 33)
wife was aged 20-30 (Olive would have been abt 27)
2 boys under 5 (Louis/Lewis Jr. & one who presumably died before the next, 1850, census
was taken)
1 girl aged 5-10 (? out of household working somewhere? died?)
1 girl under 5 (Lucy/Lucille)
I would gather that Lydia was born just after the 1840 census and that Olive was
pregnant with her at the time the census was taken.
Looking back at the 1901 Cdn Stormont census, I think I see now that Lewis Jr emigrated
in 1853 with sister Lucy in 1863. This would make sense as I cannot find anyone with
a similar last name in the 1860 Fort Covington census with the exception of Lucy Kiah,
servant, aged 28, born New York, working as a servant. Again, if the head of the
household was providing information on his servants, it might not be too accurate.
Caille, if heard by an english-only ear would certainly sound like Kiah and be entered
by the census-taker as such or as Cayer, etc., don't you think?
Anyway, you might find some birth records, graves, etc in Fort Covington, Franlkin, New York. And the 1861 Stormont and Carleton (Nepean) censuses might bear looking at.
The following is a good history site for Fort Covington and certainly explains why a
lot of French Canadians went down there in the 1830's which is when (abt 1834?) I think
that Lewis Sr. and Olive may have married in Lower Canada (Quebec).
http://history.rays-place.com/ny/ft-covington-1-ny.htm
Hope this helps,
... Sue
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